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	<description>Research, open movements, on-line communities. By Felipe Ortega</description>
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		<title>Comment on New book: The Digital Potlatch by Felipe Ortega</title>
		<link>http://blog.felipeortega.net/2011/09/20/the-digital-potlatch/comment-page-1/#comment-5899</link>
		<dc:creator>Felipe Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-5807&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Jodi Schneider &lt;/a&gt; 
Thanks, Jodi. I&#039;ve fixed the link with the DOI as you suggest. Definitely better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-5807" rel="nofollow">@Jodi Schneider </a><br />
Thanks, Jodi. I&#8217;ve fixed the link with the DOI as you suggest. Definitely better!</p>
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		<title>Comment on New book: The Digital Potlatch by Foro.Carajal.Info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Our research on Wikipedia mentioned in Wikimedia Research Newsletter</title>
		<link>http://blog.felipeortega.net/2011/09/20/the-digital-potlatch/comment-page-1/#comment-5892</link>
		<dc:creator>Foro.Carajal.Info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Our research on Wikipedia mentioned in Wikimedia Research Newsletter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] book &#8220;The Digital Potlatch&#8220;, by Felipe Ortega and Joaquín Rodríguez is referenced in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] book &#8220;The Digital Potlatch&#8220;, by Felipe Ortega and Joaquín Rodríguez is referenced in [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on New book: The Digital Potlatch by Wikimedia blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikimedia Research Newsletter, September 2011</title>
		<link>http://blog.felipeortega.net/2011/09/20/the-digital-potlatch/comment-page-1/#comment-5875</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikimedia blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikimedia Research Newsletter, September 2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 02:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] gift-giving ceremony whose participants gain status based on the generosity of their gifting, in this blog post summarizing his new book with Joaquín Rodríguez ( “El Potlatch Digital: Wikipedia y el Triunfo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gift-giving ceremony whose participants gain status based on the generosity of their gifting, in this blog post summarizing his new book with Joaquín Rodríguez ( “El Potlatch Digital: Wikipedia y el Triunfo [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on New book: The Digital Potlatch by Jodi Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What study is this linking to &quot;our study on the inequality of contributions to Wikipedia&quot;? I get an IEEEXplore cookies error -- they make it really hard to get stable links, the DOI is probably best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What study is this linking to &#8220;our study on the inequality of contributions to Wikipedia&#8221;? I get an IEEEXplore cookies error &#8212; they make it really hard to get stable links, the DOI is probably best.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New book: The Digital Potlatch by El Potlatch digital y la gestión del digital commons</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Potlatch digital y la gestión del digital commons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de los comunes y el conocimiento compartido, un esfuerzo compartido de varios años, junto a Felipe Ortega, en el que el caso del «potlatch» canadiense nos sirve para comprender cómo en determinados [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de los comunes y el conocimiento compartido, un esfuerzo compartido de varios años, junto a Felipe Ortega, en el que el caso del «potlatch» canadiense nos sirve para comprender cómo en determinados [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia is not a place for promotion by David Barberi</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Barberi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+400 million uniques every month is indeed a reason why many people are attracted to Wikipedia, for a variety of reasons.   For example, if it had 1% of those monthly visitors, would your extensive academic studies of Wikipedia generate as much interest as they have?

To the issue of editors benefiting themselves: In the cases where a company helps with creating a good, fair and neutral article in-line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, would you agree that this is a benefit to both Wikipedia and the company?

It might be interesting if a quantitative study could be made of the reliablity and accuracy of company articles in Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+400 million uniques every month is indeed a reason why many people are attracted to Wikipedia, for a variety of reasons.   For example, if it had 1% of those monthly visitors, would your extensive academic studies of Wikipedia generate as much interest as they have?</p>
<p>To the issue of editors benefiting themselves: In the cases where a company helps with creating a good, fair and neutral article in-line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, would you agree that this is a benefit to both Wikipedia and the company?</p>
<p>It might be interesting if a quantitative study could be made of the reliablity and accuracy of company articles in Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia is not a place for promotion by Felipe Ortega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felipe Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting (but somewhat different) debate. Whether and how communication professionals will adapt to new collaborative and open projects building huge info repositories (like Wikipedia). So far, I think that they have adapted quite well. For example, NYT is, in fact, taking a lot of benefit from micro-blogging. Indeed, they even have their own URL shortening service, clear evidence that this kind of platforms is very valuable for them.

However, this post is not about the background of editors, but on writing about topics that will directly benefit editors. Interestingly, one could leverage his/her authority about a certain knowledge area writing good stuff in Wikipedia, in collaboration with the community. That&#039;s good for you, but you wouldn&#039;t have direct intrests. However, writing an article about your company in *an encyclopedia* is a different case. In fact, the real rationale behind this debate is outreach: the +400 million unique visitors in Wikipedia every month. I wonder if many companies would have ever considered to be displayed in Wikipedia, should it had 1% of those monthly visitors. Thus, the clear goal is plain promotion and IMO that does not fit the main goals of an encyclopedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting (but somewhat different) debate. Whether and how communication professionals will adapt to new collaborative and open projects building huge info repositories (like Wikipedia). So far, I think that they have adapted quite well. For example, NYT is, in fact, taking a lot of benefit from micro-blogging. Indeed, they even have their own URL shortening service, clear evidence that this kind of platforms is very valuable for them.</p>
<p>However, this post is not about the background of editors, but on writing about topics that will directly benefit editors. Interestingly, one could leverage his/her authority about a certain knowledge area writing good stuff in Wikipedia, in collaboration with the community. That&#8217;s good for you, but you wouldn&#8217;t have direct intrests. However, writing an article about your company in *an encyclopedia* is a different case. In fact, the real rationale behind this debate is outreach: the +400 million unique visitors in Wikipedia every month. I wonder if many companies would have ever considered to be displayed in Wikipedia, should it had 1% of those monthly visitors. Thus, the clear goal is plain promotion and IMO that does not fit the main goals of an encyclopedia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia is not a place for promotion by David Barberi</title>
		<link>http://blog.felipeortega.net/2011/01/24/wikipedia-not-promo/comment-page-1/#comment-1000</link>
		<dc:creator>David Barberi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;These folks are explicitly considering Wikipedia as a key part of a social media marketing strategy, comparing it to Twitter, MySpace or LinkedIn. Should we really do that? Well, I think the answer is: no, we shouldn’t.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree that Wikipedia is much different then the likes of Facebook, Twitter, etc.  However interaction with the Wikipedia community is something companies need to consider, along with the basics of what makes a good article.  No one owns an article, and current policies and guidelines allow folks with Conflicts of Interest to participate and contribute in order to improve Wikipedia.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;All the same, we can even find the WikiExperts code of ethics, where they state they adhere to Wikipedia policies, such as avoiding opinionated, biased or unsupported content, not removing negative information, writing about not notable topics or performing activities contrary to Wikipedia principles. Even after reading this, one wonders how this could be ever achieved if you are being payed, explicitly, to improve the public image your contractor.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps the question is if clients will pay for advice and services that are in-line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines?  If your topic is notable, then it is reasonable to ask for a fair and neutral article.  

Companies, organizations and people can, and do, create articles about themselves on Wikipedia.  It&#039;s not an easy task, and requires much time and effort for their contributions to be accepted by the community.  It often goes wrong, because they were not yet aware of how to interact with the community.  

A note:  because of our Code of Ethics, WikiExperts.us has sadly had to decline many potential clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;These folks are explicitly considering Wikipedia as a key part of a social media marketing strategy, comparing it to Twitter, MySpace or LinkedIn. Should we really do that? Well, I think the answer is: no, we shouldn’t.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that Wikipedia is much different then the likes of Facebook, Twitter, etc.  However interaction with the Wikipedia community is something companies need to consider, along with the basics of what makes a good article.  No one owns an article, and current policies and guidelines allow folks with Conflicts of Interest to participate and contribute in order to improve Wikipedia.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All the same, we can even find the WikiExperts code of ethics, where they state they adhere to Wikipedia policies, such as avoiding opinionated, biased or unsupported content, not removing negative information, writing about not notable topics or performing activities contrary to Wikipedia principles. Even after reading this, one wonders how this could be ever achieved if you are being payed, explicitly, to improve the public image your contractor.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps the question is if clients will pay for advice and services that are in-line with Wikipedia policies and guidelines?  If your topic is notable, then it is reasonable to ask for a fair and neutral article.  </p>
<p>Companies, organizations and people can, and do, create articles about themselves on Wikipedia.  It&#8217;s not an easy task, and requires much time and effort for their contributions to be accepted by the community.  It often goes wrong, because they were not yet aware of how to interact with the community.  </p>
<p>A note:  because of our Code of Ethics, WikiExperts.us has sadly had to decline many potential clients.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia is not a place for promotion by Craig.F</title>
		<link>http://blog.felipeortega.net/2011/01/24/wikipedia-not-promo/comment-page-1/#comment-993</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig.F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(N.B: Your comment system seems to flinch at editing. My original comment was delivered, pre-chewed, to the plate of the forum.  *2: This is rather silly, that&#039;s the second time it happened.)

This is going to come across as a bit harsh, and I apologise for that, but there’s not really any other way to write it. Only someone with absolutely no experience in communications, journalism or technical writing could make a statement to the effect that it is not possible to write in any particular way.

Not only is it possible, but it is, to some extent, the raison d’etre of those professions. It is why proper communications professionals are paid so much.

On the other hand, I can see where you are coming from. I certainly have the capacity to believe that your average wikipedian pretending to be a writer would fail the “NPOV” (is that what you all it, how quaint) test you set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(N.B: Your comment system seems to flinch at editing. My original comment was delivered, pre-chewed, to the plate of the forum.  *2: This is rather silly, that&#8217;s the second time it happened.)</p>
<p>This is going to come across as a bit harsh, and I apologise for that, but there’s not really any other way to write it. Only someone with absolutely no experience in communications, journalism or technical writing could make a statement to the effect that it is not possible to write in any particular way.</p>
<p>Not only is it possible, but it is, to some extent, the raison d’etre of those professions. It is why proper communications professionals are paid so much.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I can see where you are coming from. I certainly have the capacity to believe that your average wikipedian pretending to be a writer would fail the “NPOV” (is that what you all it, how quaint) test you set.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wikipedia is not a place for promotion by Felipe Ortega</title>
		<link>http://blog.felipeortega.net/2011/01/24/wikipedia-not-promo/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Felipe Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that what you&#039;re proposing, Bill, is not very different from the first working process established at Nupedia (having Wikipedia at first as a draft box), which proved to be inefficient long time ago for this purpose.

Regarding your last sentence, I think it is clearly not supported by the accounted history of the different Wikipedias. The policies and guidelines are established by the community of editors, like in many other open collaborative projects. Community members decide, and the best example is that a number of guidelines and recommendations are specific for certain languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that what you&#8217;re proposing, Bill, is not very different from the first working process established at Nupedia (having Wikipedia at first as a draft box), which proved to be inefficient long time ago for this purpose.</p>
<p>Regarding your last sentence, I think it is clearly not supported by the accounted history of the different Wikipedias. The policies and guidelines are established by the community of editors, like in many other open collaborative projects. Community members decide, and the best example is that a number of guidelines and recommendations are specific for certain languages.</p>
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